Burning questions

[Karen Moore McKenzie]

I have about a bizillion questions in my head, and I have no place to ask them, (that I am aware of). Firstly, how many zeros are in a bizillion? Secondly, did I spell that correctly? lol. Ok, seriously... Some of my questions are way out there, but something tells me there might be a clue or a new avenue to inspect to gather truth for myself. So, I put my brave heart on my sleeve, and although I am sometimes shaking in my braveheart boots, I am going out of my comfort zone, and I am just going to have to ask away!!! so here...goes (Deep breath)....exhale.

1. Are all members of the surname Mor, in all it's variant spellings, of the same core bloodline?

2. Is there a difference between Celt and Anglo? For example, I have to put a check mark beside my ethnicity when I fill out American government forms, and the only choices for "white" people, is "Anglo Norman", and I dont feel like I am decended of the Anglo/Angles of ancient times around Scotland/Dal Riata, or what became England, or because my ancestors came from Ulster Ireland, does that make me Irish in culture?

3. Is there a database of DNA for this surname, that is trustworthy to be charged with the keeping of the historic data that links us? Can I have the address of it please? I am not certain of the internet site called "smallstuff, Moore worldwide DNA project", I need more information please.

4. Does anyone know any information about "The People of the Eagle"? ie) The Tomb of the Eagle.

5. Where did the coat of arms of the United States come from? The Azure (blue)Three mullets on a bend in chief, with vert bars guled and argent (Red and white). I thought Scotland's persecuted were denied the use of their Arms meaning coats of arms inherited from their religious and crusade going forfathers? How did America itself end up with a "Coat of Arms"?

6. Is there a blood relationship linking, Fergus Mor, with any of the Saints?, and to Hugh De Morville, leader of the Knights Templar of his and his ancestor's time (1000's-1203 AD), and is there a blood connection to Mures of Rowallan and Caldwell?

7. Was Princess Diana of Wales the 22nd Great Grand daughter of Hugh de Morville (the accused alleged murderer of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Beckett), ? Would that status make her the Royal Bloodline that needed to get back into the English Kingdom, and why she might have married Charles in the first place, knowing he had a mistress? ( I read it on the internet about 3 years ago, but I cant recall the website sorry :( ). Why was she and Mother Teresa both so interested in Mary Queen of Scots? ( I LOVE DIANA! , I DONT LOVE THE BEHAVIOR OF THOSE WHO TREATED HER BADLY!).

8. Did Mary Queen of Scots actually have a child of her own blood? or could one of the four Marys been a surrogate?


9. Why did Mary Queen of Scots ask a known Jacobite/ Covenanter , Sir John Mure, for help to escape her confinement of Elizabeth I, and not ask her Catholic associates for that help?

10. Was Elizabeth I of England an illegitamate child of Henry the VIII and Ann Bolin, having been born out of wedlock, and before a divorce could be granted? Is she the reason Sir/ Saint Thomas More was beheaded?

11. Were the Moores of England, who have a differnet coat of arms symbol of that of Scots, actually get caught up living on land that was once Scottish soil, and became England soils therfore they had to swear allegence to the English in order to continue to live, and live on that soil? Are they of the same core blood as the original Scots and Irish Moores?

12. Are the little green apples in the horsetrailer edible? or not?

13. Will I live long enough to find the answers to any of these questions? Should I read my horoscope before stepping out my door? Is someone going to smear and publically humiliate me because I ask these and other bold questions? Should I wear Kevlar when I come to Scotland to see this land for the first time? Should I just shut up and sit down?

Do tell! .......But try not to hurt me, because I am one of God's more sensitive children. Thank you.

[Karen Moore McKenzie]

I was lead to suspect a connection of Fergus Mor to the Mure family, mostly by their constant "status" in Scotland. I took an overview approach to my logic of who's who in the Kingdom. I just wish someone could unravel the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I would be eternally grateful! I also hope someone will help me learn Gaelic language as I want to know it as much as I want to know the dances and music of our culture. Chivalry is not dead! nor is honor!

[John L. Moore Sr ESQ]

I don't remember which one...But one of the William Mure/Muir's claimed decent from Fergus Mor....how he knew that is another Question.

[Karen Moore McKenzie]

Does anyone know much about "Katherine of Aragon"? The south of Spain was Aragon right? She was
Henry VIII's first wife for whom Sir (Saint) Thomas More lost his life to defend her right not to divorce. She was beheaded. What was her background and ancestry?

[Karen Moore McKenzie]

I commented something somewhere about NY not having signed the Declaration but that was not accurate information, they did sign, but the leaders seem to have been mostly Englishmen. Highly controlled world trade, and all that went with that. Money is still the root of all evil. Too bad we have to have it to live, because it has been the most ruthless of killers of culture in the history of time. Wish we could barter our needs, then we might return to being humble humans again. Do you want to know what I struggle with the most? Why I have a chip on my shoulder? Thousands of people who came to America, have been first given housing, food and an education from my government, and all for free to them. I am a 9th generation American citizen without a police record of any crimes, and I cant get an education to save my soul. WHY? That's why I decided I would learn everything I could on my own. I should not resent, nor shall I be envious. I do have a hard time accepting some things that I have no control over. I always think I can fix it. I guess I have to accept the things I cannot change, and hope for the wisdom to know the difference.

[Karen Moore McKenzie]

I found something about Robert Moore who died 1792-96 in Irdell Co NC. He lived on Third Creek with John Knox and his father in law was Robert Teas (Teyes,and similar spellings). I knew this would be a nice find about "Eden" which I have been on the trail of for some time trying to find more about my Patrick Moore of what became Halifax Co VA from Lunenburg Co VA,Brunswick Co VA and the map of William Byrd II and William Mayo the dividing line betwixt Virginia and North Carolina, his land of Eden. The Mecklenburg story was real and the Moores did have a good part in it. The burials tell the tale.
Check out;
http://www.nchistoricsites.org/iredell/IREDELL.HTM
Just a small idea of what kind of people we came from. :)

[Karen Moore McKenzie]

I can tell you some very important secrets are to be discovered at the Hermatage Castle and the death and smearing of reputation and position of Lord Soulis. I think he was next in line to be the King of Scotand before Bruce was handed the title from Edward I the hammer of the Scots. The Knights Templar were disbanded and dismembered at this time from France to Scotland to of course England. The old English custom was to take the captured to their own homeland to publically humiliate them, to stretch or hang them but not until dead, then to disembowel them while still alive, then draw and quarter them and hang their body parts around London tower and various other places to scare the followers of the heros who were conquered. I can tell you there was never a time that Ireland had only one King, but there are those who claimed to become such a title. I can tell you that the clan system was taken over, and those banished were the nobles of ancient Scotland. I can tell you that the Book of Deer and the Gaelic notes on the edges of the ancient Scottish document, holds secrets beyond what we have ever known about religions. I believe it was written in Hebrew, translated to Latin, with Gaelic notes, and it came from the ancient "Order of Deer" a freemasonry group of Knights who were also part of the Order of the Thistle, but not of the Garter who consumed them and not only took their lands but names and titles and pretended to have honor this takeover started long before the time of Henry VIII but the blasting of our Castles and takeovers came mostly with Elizabeth I who continued the cause of Henry VIII (I dub him the greedy), Edward I Longshanks couldnt wait to takeover that nasty cause of inhumanity, and he placed Robert the Bruce in a position to continue that cause and he did, you have to read between all the lines written after that period. Bruces suddenly obtained Annandale, and suddenly when Robert the bruce made himself the King, almost all the Mure Clan ancient lands were taken and redistributed to the followers of Bruce who had an agenda. Douglas was Bruces friend, and was said to be a geneaologist (I must say he may have been an "evil geneaologist")! Edward Bruce claimed to be "the" King of Ireland, when there was never such a title amoung the Irish people. There were the High Kings,( plural). The last of these High Kings was ONeill and O Donnell, and O Moore and O Connor was assistant, and all the "Rebel uprisings" had a great meaning and purpose of the original Knights attempting to take back their lands and identities. I hear you! I stand with you! I wish to vindicate you! These banished, erased, and smeared indigenous Scots deserve to be honored for the truth of their valor for freedom from tyranny throughout history of written record. Others before me knew this, they must have felt under pressure not to expose the truth, although they left clues behind, and Thank God for them or otherwise we might keep on believing the lies and falling into the oppression of deceipt we have been in for centuries. Good day brothern of Ulster Scots! I am liberated and enlightened, and although the truth has left me sick to my stomach, I am glad I faced it, I have my purse full of rocks and at the ready to hurl at the devil when he comes to torture me, and I hope I have the faith as strong as the Cathars to walk through the fire with no fear, for thou art with me.
I must take flight in a week, and will not be on the internet for awhile. I have done my job the best I could with what I had, and now I pass the baton.....

[Karen Moore McKenzie]

I can no longer think that I have stumbled upon some obscure bits of history by accident. I have no choice but to acknowledge I have a higher sense of truth than even I gave myself credit for in my life thus far. The things I have found and brought to a bolded type in my memory banks, have served me to find additional clues to find the line of truth distorted on purpose by those who conquered my culture of blood and brothern. Once I have figured out who they were, I can then avoid trusting their progeny, as characteristic traits ARE PASSED throughout all generations of a bloodline. like the restless hearts of Irish and Scotti, Welsh, Pictish and Druids who built the Stone Circles and carried out the Original Freemasonry plan to free God's children from the nonsenso tyranny of evil corrupt leadership,I have a mission to vindicate the truth. That which is hard. The uprisings of us "Rebels for the cause of Freedom", are signals from our ancestors who were wronged by the wicked who stole from them their lives their lands and their names and honor to boot, to rise again and take back what is rightfully ours. One can recognise this trait stongly in the O'Neill and O'Donnell clans. I Thank God for them and their stories left behind, even fragmentary as they are, for they show me how history repeats itself. An idigenous people will fight for thousands of years and all generations to regain what belonged to their ancestors. I understand that now. All the stone circles had great meaning to those who built them, the indigenous people. I question myself now, "Was ignorance bliss"? Part of me wants to say yes, but for the sake of my responsibility to the future, I must say no, it is not and was never blissful to be decieved and complacent. I wonder when I am supposed to let go of the chip of resentment of oppression that sits on my shoulder, and accept my destiny? I wonder if I share the blood of Rory O More? Will my restless heart ever settle down and find peace? There is just too much unfinished business in the kingdom of concience.

[Karen Moore McKenzie]

I have found more sites that confirm my suspicions and answer some very important questions;
This is the first I heard Euphemia was a Leslie, I thought she was a Kennedy..
http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/FGS/S/StuartRobert-ElizabethMure-EuphemiaLeslie.shtml

Next this sort of confirms my earliest thoughts that the Mor name was Moramer, Moray, and Mar namesake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Moray

Next, if you scroll down you will see the important mention of the Book of Deer;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormaer_of_Moray

Next a decipher of the Gaelic Notes written into the Book of Deer;
http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/G102007/

If one keeps digging, the truth may just turn up someday....
Cheers!

[Karen Moore McKenzie]

Reflecting on my own questions, I see like as if looking in a mirror, bouncing off what it is I need to know, that I can't seem to see, but is right in front of me.
I have always known I was special. Goofy but special and bear senses a bit in higher tune with nature and the one whom created all mankind. I have had strong faith all my life, I acted in a manner I thought God would want me to be, the way I would want others to treat me. I didnt think every color of people made any difference, we are all the same human form, none to be heirarchial to another. I suppose that makes me different than alot of other people's beliefs. I wanted to know who I decend from, to honor them for what they gave me, my life, which (in context), must have been the best lifetimes to have lived in peace and free. I wanted to thank them for the civil laws and justices I have known to be true to our intended Constitution and Bill of Rights, designed so very long ago, and made it through all evil, to have accomplished. If I let that go away without a fight, I will regret the rest of my life. I like to avoid danger, violence, crabby drivers ect...and now I have to fear the "good ole boy 'n gal network", those who have formed a wall of Government that I am not allowed to complain about anymore. I cant tell you where this country is headed, but I can tell you I am very uncomfortable about it. I hope History's Fossil record, can be set straight as to actual characters being duly noted for what they truely did in their lives. I hope people can be better educated and prepared for what is sure to be repeated in time again.
I sense the answers to my own questions, I felt compelled to find empirical proof, because I am a self made scientist.
It matters to me, that this Muir Clan, be restored the" Honors of Arms" of the Clan of Antiquity namesake. I had no idea of the family of the Last known Laird of Mure/Muir having suffered the loss of the historic Coats of Arms and all the anciently deserved accomplishments and lands, and the bloodline may have been ordered to be snuffed out completely. I am glad to know, there is a posiblity that this Clan can find the missing son, and his progeny, and reclaim the Clan Laird, which was once, a very very important place in the Gaelic -Scottish Kingdom. I would love to live to see a restoration of the rath of the English and Vikings on this family. I won't hold my breath for any to admit they wronged them. I do have to realize what I learned in church...Forgiveness.
I could forgive those who stepped up to offer the truth and restitution, I have a hard time with those who wont admit it, but I am trying. Here's the deal... a question on this Clan site was posed, "Do I belong here"? the answer is yes, we all do. We found our way here for reasons we cannot explain, but we are here, and we are moving forward in our lives togather as a unit, and that is an honorable banding of an anciently Honorable Clan of people with a passion, stamina and good humor! We must share our knowledge and compassion. We must acknowledge the past, and learn from it, not live in it, but know it, and not allow mistakes to be made the same again.
I have been lonely in my life, but I always caught myself curled up with one hand holding the other, I used to think it was because I was my own best friend, but I realize it is the hand of God holding mine through me, the vessell he needs to carry out his handiwork. I am not alone, never was, never will be! :))

[Karen Moore McKenzie]

I just read my horoscope today, hehehe go figure...lol
Dear Cancer,
Here is your horoscope for
Tuesday, March 24:
Your mental and spiritual energy are flowing together and turning you toward larger philosophical questions. You may not get all the answers, but you're asking the right questions and that's what counts.