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I am anxious to hear responses from you to the questions I, and many others are asking. I believe it is important for the record to be set straight.
Wouldn't you say it was rather childish on your part to try to correct my spelling? I did NOT use the word "behooved", I used behoove (without the 'd') and, if you check the dictionary, you will find that both spellings are correct.
You have, apparently, decided NOT to respond to, not only my question of August 2nd, but those of A.H. Muir & possibly many others who are questioning the legality of your claim to Chief of the Muir Clan. Is this because you cannot answer our questions? Or is it because you are arrogant enough that you think you don't have to?
There are many of we Muirs who wish to have clarification of what has led you to believe you are head of the Muir Clan? Simply put, if indeed, you do have an official standing with the Lord Lyons office in Edinburgh, then it would behoove you to set us all straight, not only by replying to our questions but also by publicly publishing the documentation which leads you to think you hold this position.
Maureen Muir Pettit
Firstly, let me say that it was a disappointment that you did not make the time to come along to the Gathering in July. I and others found it extraordinary that you did not do so, and are left with the question of why you did not do so.
Secondly, you are currently referred to as "Clan Chief" on this website, and I note that Mrs Pettit asks by what procedure you arrived in that apparent position. I am not aware that you have given her a reply yet.
To clarify the position, I have been in touch with the Lord Lyon's office and they have replied with the points made below, which I have copied from my message on this site to Mr Kurt Moore.
It is clear from what they say that you have no standing outside of the "Clann Muir" society, and whilst you are quite entitled to hold any title you wish within that society, you are not entitled to call yourself "Clan Chief" of the Muir clan/family in Scotland or elswhere. This should be corrected immediately.
I welcome any clarification as to what process you have been through with the Lord Lyon's office: or indeed are going through now, as they are unaware of who you are. It may be that a mistake has been made somewhere, but the Lord Lyon by definition does not make mistakes.
Please explain what has gone on in the past which leads you to believe you have a claim on the title "Clan Chief"?
At 4:21pm on August 13, 2009, A.H. Muir said…Dear Kurt
It is a shame you have not replied to my last message, but nevertheless I can report that I have made progress in establishing the status of Mr Andrew Moore, which leaves me confused as to what procedures you have gone through in connection with the Lord Lyon’s court.
The Lord Lyon’s office informs me that they have no prior knowledge of the Clann Muir organisation or its website. They state that they “do not know on what basis they describe themselves in the website as “official” or have recognised Andrew Moore as their “commander” or “head of the House of Muir”. The office then go on to explain that most Mores and Moores would be of English and Irish descent, and unrelated to Scottish Muirs. Further, they say:
“In the past a Clan Chief or a Representer of a name or family has been the person recognised by the Lord Lyon as being in right of the undifferenced arms of the name. I am not aware that there is any generally recognised Representer of the family of Mure/Muir.If such is to be found, it should be from among the descendants of the known Scottish landed families of Mure/Muir”.
Could you inform me of the procedures you as an organisation went through previously, which have led you to believe that Mr Andrew Moore might have a claim of some sort to lead the “Clan Muir”?
If no recognised procedure in connection with the Lord Lyon’s Court has been carried through, then it is misleading for Mr Andrew Moore to be addressed as “Chief “ on the Clann Muir website and I think it would be right to make this clear on the website.
I am curious to find out how it came to pass that you are the CLAN CHIEF? Were you voted into your position by members of the Muir Clan? If not, how was it determined that you, particularly, were the one Muir to head the Clan?
I would appreciate a response.
Maureen Muir Pettit
I should be set to pick up August's passport -- I called the ticket office today, and they were going to put my name against her passport. Do I need to pick up anything from the box office for the tent-i.e. do I need to mention that I am filling in for Cheryl? I'll see about having whisky at the booth -- the rules state that no one can bring in alcohol, however I will ask if I can do so for the clan tent. Even if I can, it may be a bit of a struggle to get a case in the morning...I'll see. Anything else? Any events/functions that need performed on behalf of the Clan? I am trying to get signal on my mobile, so e-mail may be best. P.S. I did have extra passport photos, so will bring one along! D.
Regards, Douglas
There is a paid for Passport waiting to be picked up under the name August Flohr at the Gathering 2009 office.(Clann Muir)
Just tell them you have a brother picking it up for the Clan Muir and her.
Chief Andrew, can you write you a letter of use in her place.
and call them to give them instructions and the service change from her to the brother to use?
Silante,
Jann
I am happy to help at the tent, but have not bought a ticket or arranged for accommodation. If I can figure out a ticket (would have preferred to have done the passport, but looks like those are no longer available), then maybe I can just pop down and back from Aberdeen on the train, and avoid the unlikely scenario of finding lodging at this late date. I'll dig into this further tomorrow morning. Kind Regards, Douglas
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